pursuit of public safety. it was not in the interest of keeping the public safe because one must ask was not it in the interest of keeping the public safe that tyre nichols would be with us here today? tyre nichols should have been safe. >> five memphis police officers have been charged with murder in tyre nichols' death. two others are on leave as the department investigates the case. thanks so much for being with us tonight. "ac-360" begins now. good evening. we begin with breaking news. tonight for the first time attorneys for hunter biden have publicly acknowledged that it was his personal data on a laptop that was left in a delaware repair shop. it may be a sign they are going on the offensive. the laptop has become the focus of president biden's political

opponents. the source of embarrassing allegations about his son's personal affairs as well as a figurative side dish to main course what could be serious legal trouble. the potential legal and political fallout. first, jessica schneider. for years republicans have been going off about this laptop and hunter biden never publicly acknowledged that it was his. why is he taking legal steps now? >> they are ramping up their approach here. it's coming at the same time they are girding themselves for this real fight with congressional republicans. so what they are doing tonight, they are fighting back against a number of people they say allegedly got into hunter biden's laptop, that was left at that delaware computer repair shop, and they are fighting against the people who disseminated the contents of that laptop. these contained business documents, emails and photos and some potentially salacious materials purportedly belonging to hunter biden. what biden's team is saying is

that this was weaponized against hunter biden and in turn his father all in the lead up to the 2020 election. tonight what they are asking for is pushing for the delaware state attorney general, also the justice department, to investigate and bring criminal charges against everyone they say was allegedly involved in going into the laptop and then disseminating this information. this is what hunter biden's lawyer is now saying. he is saying this failed dirty political trick directly resulted in the exposure, exploitation and manipulation of mr. biden's private and personal information. mr. mac isaacs, the repair shop owner, intentional, reckless and unlawful conduct allowed for hundreds of gigabytes of mr. biden's personal data without any discretion to be circulated around the internet. this aggressive approach really does signal what is a significant change in strategy from hunter biden. he has brought in new lawyers to help him defend him from this

attack from republicans. house republicans. house republicans are probing hunter biden's business dealings, so now they are fighting back on this laptop issue. of course, at the same time, hunter biden is facing this ongoing unrelated federal criminal investigation into his taxes and also possible false statements while making a gun purchase. a lot ramping up. >> and hunter biden's attorneys aren't just asking for an investigation into the computer repair shop owner. rudy giuliani, other right-wing figures. who else can be caught up in this? >> several people here. we have a number of letters here that they have been sending out. including the computer repair shop owner, rudy giuliani, also steve bannon, who of course was a top advisor in trump's white house for several months. a number of other right-wing figures they say helped distribute this information that was purported to be from his laptop. so our team has reached out to all of the people named in the letters. no response. also to the attorney general

office in delaware, the doj. hunter biden's legal team opening a front of aggression as the inquiries from house republicans could be intensifying. fighting on many fronts here. >> to the white house, phil mattingly. any reaction from the white house tonight? >> you know, officials have taken the approach of deferring all questions related to hunter biden's legal issues to hunter biden's lawyers and in part that has been a deliberate effort to wall off the president and the white house from anything legal related to thinks son. this is also a very sensitive topic. officials acknowledge the shift in posture you have seen from hunter biden's lawyers was not something that was recommended by many of the president's close advisors. they wanted him to keep a low profile and i think that gets to the reality here. the president is deeply protective of his son, very empathic to the recovery from substance abuse he pursued the last several years and, obviously, remains close and speaks often to his son. however, when it comes to white house officials, they make clear

to the extent they can have bright lines, even if that means crafting agreements to ensure that there is separation between hunter biden's legal issues and the white house, that is where they weigh in. >> are white house officials concerned that the republican-led congressional hearings into hunter biden's life and career that are expected couldin anger the president or would it impact his re-election bid if that happens? >> anderson, it is very clear white house officials know how personal this is to the president. however, it's interesting that it's the inverse. when you talk to them, they believe politically this has far more of an impact in a negative matter towards republicans than the president himself. they think it's, obviously, politically motivated and in some level they believe that it's just following the lead of former president trump who, obviously, pursued similar issues, one that led to his impeachment, his first impeachment when he was president. i think one thing when you talk to white house officials they make clear much they have internal polling that shows that investigating hunter biden,

investigating the president's family doesn't rank near the top of the issues that they see when they get their polls back and that's why they have maintained a pretty lasered focus on the president's agenda, what he is trying to accomplish on the policy side of things and ignoring or trying to defer on these issues making clear they will engreige in congressional committees investigating these issues if they are done in good faith. they don't think investigations into the if the's family are being done in good faith. when it comes to the re-election, nothing i have heard says this will have any impact whatsoever. they are full pspeed ahead. right now it's clear they think the political advantage on these issues is on their side, not the republicans. >> thanks. more on the legal and political implications which are two different sides of this, law enforcement analyst and fbi director andrew mccabe and congressman adam kinzinger and dana bash, co-anchor of cnn's state of the unionian.

andrew, how significant do you think these moves are by the attorneys for hunter biden? what do you expect the response to be? >> i think they are very significant, anderson. i think they are a little bit late. like this is a position that hunter biden probably should have taken a long time ago. of course, in the history of this issue, he is basically recasting himself as the victim of potential cybercrimes and trafficking in stolen property and other issues like that. so you have hunter biden's lawyers bringing these claims to the relevant law enforcement, the heads of the relevant law enforcement agencies here, the department of justice and the national security division, and in the state of delaware saying, hey, our client has been victimized by this trafficking of his material without his consent. this may have been, you know, exceeding the authorization that the repair shop had to access his files and certainly didn't have the -- his permission to share this information with anybody else and you need to get involved and investigate what

happened to our client. i think it's an aggressive but appropriate move at this point. >> and congressman, he has acknowledged that is his laptop, which he hadn't done before. your former republican colleagues in the house expressed a lot of interest in holding hearings into hunter biden's life and career. the information, whether it was legal or not to obtain it, it is out there from now from that laptop. do you expect these legal moves in any way to give them pause or change the situation, the actual investigations? >> no, i don't think so at all. look, i have never understood why this has been -- it's not even all republicans that are really pushing this hunter biden laptop thing. it's the freedom caucus and a few others. this is, you know, political gold within the right-wing. this is what you need to lead on if you want to win a primary. many in the gop have given up trying to attract the middle or try to win over some democrats. i don't think it's going to change their fer vensy in doing

this. it won't change the fact that this will be the sole focus of the oversight in the new weaponization committee and, quite honestly, i don't think it will move the needle one way or the another. i don't think anybody is going to vote republican different or wouldn't have because of hunter biden' laptop. hunter biden is not the president of the united states. he is not a u.s. senator or congressman. he is a private citizen. what he did is the jurisdiction of the fbi and i think most americans understand that doesn't belong necessarily on the front page of politico action. >> dana, you talked about how officially the white house doesn't want to see as having anything to do with this. is that realistic given how much the president likes to speak off-the-cuff and how protective he is of his family? >> that's a good question. he has tried to be very, very cautious, as you mentioned, as phil was talking about, and simply referring to his son, obviously, somebody who he loves and somebody who has had a lot

of troubles with substance abuse and et cetera. but it is really noteworthy, anderson, that hunter biden has made this decision now to change course and in hiring abby lowell, a very well known lawyer, working for decades here in washington op cases like this, very high-profile cases, he is a take no prisoners kind of attorney, hunter biden knew what he was getting when i hired abby local and this is the kind of thing that he clearly wants to do and it is -- i agree with andy. it is really unclear why, if there is a potential case there against these actors, rudy giuliani, steve bannon and others, who have the data, whether it's actually from the laptop or some other way, that they have not -- they, the hunter biden team, has not gone after them before because the only thing we've ever heard from

hunter, he has been opaque. he had a book that came out. he answered a couple of questions about these issues, but not much. and so he has been able to be defined by these republicans. now they have gavels, which is very likely why you see the president's son changing course in terms of his legal and political strategy. >> but going after whoever, you know, trafficked in this laptop and the data that was on it, it doesn't bring the data back. whatever is out there is out there for those in congress who want to investigate and use it to use it however they want to. >> yeah, i agree with that, anderson. but i see this less as a matter of trying to recover data that is -- you mentioned it's already out in the wild, and more as an effort to recast hunter biden as the victim here rather than the perpetrator of some sort of crime. it's still not clear to me what this laptop would be evidence of any crime anyway. we know that the fbi went and

seized it from the computer shop operate wite are with a subpoen which they likely would have needed a search warrant to look in the thing. it's a little bit confusing to me as to how they would have predicated a request for a search warrant. this is hunter biden going on offense saying i am tired of being the target of all of these attacks and in fact i have been the victim, i am the one that had my private information unlawfully accessed, distributed and then -- >> and, andrew, this is clearly being done ahead of those hearings. i mean, it's not a coincidence, do you think, that this is happening just ahead of, you know, the hearings and a potential justice department move into the investigation to his taxes. i think i lost andrew. congressman kinzinger, the timing seems related?

>> yeah. i think it is related. i think, look, once you had -- when the democrats had control of the house, really of the hunter biden laptop story was certain cable news channels, on the internet, it was on, you know, talk-radio. now this will be, you know, a -- because of congress' oversight, because of their ability to set the agenda, this will now be, quote, unquote, a legitimate discussion topic. if i was advising the hunter biden team, i am not a lawyer, and but that's what i would say, you have to go on offense on this. there is no difference in having stolen the data, i mean, a computer shop owner who hunter biden gave a laptop to do fix, who stole his data, which to me has been incredible from the very beginning that that has not been the bigger story. this is the equivalent of hacking into somebody. and to celebrate this and say there is no problem, never understood it. i think it's a really dangerous path for the gop to go down. >> one of the people that hunter biden is asking authorities to investigate is rudy giuliani.

you covered the former mayor extensively. is it clear to you whether he is active in the world of far-right conspiracy theories and legal battles? is he still trying to take hunter biden down? we haven't heard much about him. >> because he is trying to defend his own reputation, his own legal standing. >> does he have a reputation or a legal standing? >> well, legal -- look, he is under fire for sure. reputation aside, he is trying to defend himself on the legal front, which is in part why the hunter biden legal team now put this out, because there are a series of republicans and those actors who are already kind of back on their heels on other issues, and this is certainly another issue. the answer is, probably. he is on the phone a lot making calls and it wouldn't be surprising if he was continuing to do that with this. i just want to make a quick point to underis score what

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the audio and a lot of it depicts things that take place after the beating has already occurred and, you know, people are sort of talking afterwards, even after the ambulance takes mr. nichols away. >> the funeral today calls for justice and change from vice president harris and others but also reminders of who he was, the life he lived and the people he was taken from. >> i see the world showing him love and fighting for his justice. but all i want is my baby brother back. >> tyre nichols was a young father, skateboarder, photographer and son. here is his mom today. >> the only thing that's keeping me going is the fact that i really truly believe my son was sent here on assignment from god. [ applause ]

>> and i guess now his assignment is done. he has been taken home. >> tamika palmer, her daughter, breonna taylor, was shot and killed by police in louisville three years ago next month. attorney ben crump paid tribute to both today. >> many of you may have heard about this coincidence. that breonna taylor and tyre nichols were born on the same day and the same year. june 5th, 1993. so i want to acknowledge tamika palmer and i know you said it brought back so many memories and pain when you found out it was the same birthday. so if you would stand, tamika

palmer, let us acknowledge breonna taylor's mother. [ applause ] >> tamika palmer spoke with us just before air time. >> thank you so much for joining us. can you just tell us what was it like to be at tyre nichols' funeral today? >> emotional. the room was filled with a lot of families, you know, to support tyre nichols' family. so that's the good part in it. but it just was so emotional. >> when you heard that tyre and breonna shared the same birthday, same year, june 5, 1993, that's extraordinary. >> it is. it just brought a lot back to me. so i was very emotional learning that. just to, for me it's, you know, he could have been my kid. he was the same age as my kid.

and to have died with the same fate. >> during the service many people were calling for the passage of the george floyd justice in policing act. do you have any hope that any kind of police reform legislation can get actually passed? >> it has to. hope is such a word for it because we have been holding out hope for so long. but i don't know that we can continue the way that we have. is so something has to happen. >> it must, i mean, every time there is a killing like this, every time there is a tragedy like this, it must bring it all back for you. not that it ever goes away for you. >> it definitely brings it back. i'm just, you know, with

everything that's going on, i can't believe officers are still choosing to behave in this manner. i think that just with all that's happened, you would want to be on your best behavior and kind of make sure the people around you are doing the same thing. >> adid you think with greater use of police body cameras that that would happen, that people would realize, well, you know, the cameras are on, but even in this case, in tyre's case, the cameras were on. they did what they did and then it seems like police reports afterwards were doctored up, were false. >> well, that's the problem. you can have the cameras on all day long, but until you actually start holding these people accountable, that's where we fall short at, you know. people are, they are standing behind qualified immunity and that will always be a problem. >> eric garner's mom was on cnn

today saying tyre nichols' death digs into old wounds and she lives her son's death over and over again. obviously, you talked about that as this brings it all back for you to see so many other parents there who have -- and spouses and siblings who have lost loved ones, it's, obviously, a group nobody wants to be a part of, but is there a connection that you instantly have with everybody? >> absolutely. to be in the room with people who know exactly how you feel, people you don't have to explain to what you are going through and how you feel and the anger you are holding or the disbelief. you know, you don't have to explain that to these people because they know exactly how you feel. >> ben crump, the nichols family attorney, said the swift action by memphis officials should be what he called the blueprint going forward. so you think this will be the blueprint going forward?

>> i would like to hope so. i definitely think that it gives us hope to see that people do know that, you know, they can give justice quickly. like it doesn't have to be a thing going on for two, three, five, ten years. >> tamika palmer, i appreciate talking to you. i know you had a long day. i really appreciate you taking the time. thank you. >> absolutely. thank you. >> she talked to us from the airport on her way home. ahead, breaking newsn new information about a federal investigation. congressman george santos. that's ahead. that? oh wow! buo sell our houses! (vo) well, almost perfect. (woman) my place is too small; your placace is too far. selling them means repepairs, listings, cleanings. what's the market even like? this could take like... forever! (vo) or... more like days. skip the hassles and sell with confidence to opendoor. done.

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exchanged with santos in 2016, right around when this entire ordeal happened. very tough time in his life as he detailed and when he spoke about all of this osthoff to cnn just a few weeks ago this is a little of what he said. >> do you have a heart? do you have a soul? and he would probably lie about that. i mean, i don't want you to ever hurt anybody like you hurt me again, george. and nobody else should have to go through that. i almost killed myself wihen tht dog died. that's why i'm here. i don't want him to be able to do this again. >> on the latest developments, a spokesperson for the u.s. attorney's office for the eastern district of new york did not have a comment here. neither did george santos when he was asked about it on capitol hill today. now, when this story was coming out last month santos said that he had no idea about all of

this. but, obviously, those are claims he is making up against those of osthoff. >> yeah, and reportedly seems like he has text messages. is there any sense of a timeline of if the fbi was talking to the veteran today, a timeline of their investigation? >> well, he has a lot of investigations going on at this point into his personal finances, into his campaign finances. at least one congressman from new york does believe that this investigation could move much quicker than those on the campaign finance side. to use his words, he said that u.s. attorneys are the only ones that can move at the pace necessary to actually get some answers on a normal timetable here. but, obviously, a lot of questions. not a whole lot of answers. >> thank you. i'm joined by andrew kiz inisski. a new report details -- piecing together new information about george santos when most people knew him as anthony devolder. so can you -- what have you discovered about the evolution

of anthony devolder into george santos? >> it's pretty interesting. before 2019, he didn't post really about politics at all. he posted about, you know, celebrities, he went on a "real housewives" talk show and took a selfie, big lady gaga fan. around, you know, 2019, january, this starts to change. he sends lots of angry tweets at politicians, people in new york specifically like aoc, chuck schumer. but he wasn't really getting any attention. no one was responding to him. and he gets, you know, sort of this pickup when he joins this group of sort of diverse pro-trump activists in new york city. the republican party was attempting to diversify and here comes, you know, called anthony devolder at this time. he is young. he is gay. he is latino and allegedly, according to him, very

successful. >> that's how he began to make inroads with republicans? >> so the first instance we found he started connecting people was in march of 2019. there was this rally in new york city at trump tower. it was with republicans basically in the tri-state area. he shows up there with a gays for trump sign. there is video of him online yelling at a guy that came to rabl rouse with a confederate flag. the next time the walk away movement, it's baseball this movement to take people traditionally members of the democratic coalition, women, people of color and tell them to leave the democratic party and come to the republican party. he attends these events. he says i'm anthony devolder. i am, you know, very successful. i'm gay. i'm latino. most importantly, he is a trump supporter. >> and at what point does he decide to run for congress? >> we found basically with these

events he is making connections. he is meeting people at these events. he is making connections. they see him. they see his story, which they find personally, you know, compelling. >> mom died in 9/11, the holocaust survivor. >> 11 years he said working on wall street. and he, you know, he starts this facebook group at the same time called united for trump 2020. like, you know, we talked about earlier, the gofundmes. he made grandiose promises. around 2019 the end of the year he starts going to queens events. he is running for office. under a new name. he actually -- >> he goes to queens -- >> queens republican events. he is meeting people. he had a public access talk show in queens. and he is doing it under this name george santos which even confused people who knew him. we have audio of him introducing

himself and there is a speaker he says, who is this guy? i thought his name was something else. >> do you have a clip of that? >> we have audio of that. >> let's take a look. >> folks, another important speaker. another congressional nominee. george santos. george, who we know as a friend, he is known as anthony devolder to me. so i don't know why george santos came into the thing. but that's what it says here. >> under the circumstances my parents were latino. it's george anthony anthony devolder santos. >> is it? what is it -- >> that is actually his name. i posted a tweet once where i had countered ten different names he used. george santos, anthony santos, george anthony devolder, anthony dobroski. we reached out to his office to his attorney and asked could we talk about his evolution, how he got here, like, you know, most people we didn't hear back. >> that's not going to happen.

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accused murderer alex murdaugh dlamd he wasn't at the scene where his wife and son were shot dead. he said he was visits his mother before he returned home and discovered their bodies. >> she is a dog lover. she fools with the dogs. i knew she had gone to the kennel. i was at the house. i left the house and went to my mom's. >> footage they believe undercuts this alibi. randy kai was in the south carolina courtroom today. >> reporter: this is the video prosecutors believe puts murdaugh matte the murder scene around the time his wife and son were killed. a computer crimes expert testifying for the state extracted this video from paul murdaugh's phone several months after his death. the video shows a dog, but it's

not what the jury sees on the video that is critical to the state's case. it's what they hear on it. >> what do you hear on the video? >> you hear three different voices in the video. you can tell because they are so different. you can tell that they are different voices. >> reporter: listen closely. >> at this time the state's going to publish that video. it is not under seal. >> again. >> he has a bird in his mouth! >> hey, bubba. >> it's a gimme. >> it's a chicken. >> reporter: the time that the video was taken is key to the prosecutor's case. >> what time is that video recorded? >> the camera begins at 8:44:49 p.m. >> reporter: and ends? >> 8:45. >> reporter: the witness told the jury the video was taken 8 had 5:00 p.m. the night of the

murders. alex murdaugh told investigators at least twice that he wasn't at the kennels earlier in the night. his 911 call that night puts him at the scene at around 10:07 p.m. but the audio in this video, if it's him, as prosecutors suggest, would undercut his alibi and put alex murdaugh with the victims at the time of the murders, at the time their cellphones ceased all activity and locked. that was about 8:49 p.m. >> were there ever any other outgoing calls made from paul's phone? >> no, sir, not that i found. >> were there any other calls that were answered, incoming calls answered on paul's phone? >> no, sir. >> reporter: alex murdaugh was not identified by prosecutors on the video, but this witness, rogan gibson, testified that paul was sending the video in question to him that night, so gibs gibson could see his injured dog. he told the court he is sure that's alex murdaugh's voice on the recording. >> did you hear, recognize the voices on there?

>> i did. >> did you recognize the voices of your second family? >> i is did. >> and what voices is you hear? >> paul's, miss maggie, mr. -- >> how sure? >> positive. >> reporter:en to cross-examination the defense tried to chip away at his testimony about the tape but it seemed to backfire. >> you heard a voice say no it's a chicken. do you remember whose voice that was? >> mr. alex that said it the first time and then paul said it was a chicken. >> reporter: and it only got worse for the defense when paul's long-time friend and roommate, will loving, said he heard alex on the recording, too. >> how sure are you? >> 100%. >> the person whose voice you recognize on there that you identified as alex murdaugh, do you see him in the courtroom today? >> yes, sir. >> can you point him out for the jury? >> sitting right there. >> and as that video played in to court, anderson, alex murdaugh sat at the defense

table crying. we learned in court whatever happened that night happened very, very fast. we know that video we saw today was recorded 84 r5 p.m. paul murdaugh got a text which he opened at 84859 p.m. 30 seconds later another text from that friend of his. that text was never opened. so just 36 seconds later he his phone had gone silent forever and he was never heard from again. >> wow. so that was how long long after that recording? that text message? >> the recording was about 8:45 and that text message would have been 8:49. that's when they say the prosecutors are saying his phone was locked forever. four hins from the recording, that phone was locked for good this until authorities unlocked t 36 seconds from the last text he actually read. >> it's eerie watching that video knowing that minutes later both of those people would be

dead. thank you. for more on the trial, we turn to criminal defense attorney joey jackson. i mean, is that as close to a smoking gun as they have gotten so far? >> without question. you have a shot in a case when you have no eyewitnesses. there is no eyewitnesses here. there is no surveillance to demonstrate that you did it. no surveillance here. no dna to connect you to the murder weapon or to the crime scene as here. but you kind of do have the dna. why? point out two people that have identical voices. you won't be able to find them. so what the prosecution has to do is get him to the crime scene. but then it gets worse because not only does the voice, his dna, right, not literally, certainly figuratively, it's unique, no two people have the same voice. >> and identified by two people who are very close to the family. >> correct. and you heard in the prosecution's question did you hear your second family member? really sticking it home, like there would be no mistake. and then it gets worse. why? because then you have the indication that only moments

later the phones went dead and the friend that his son was apparently communicating with could not get through. what does that tell you? it tells you his son had no ability to get through to his friend because his son was no longer there. then it gets worse. when you have an alibi you were hoping napping after dinner and you were never at the scene, why would you lie about that unless you had something to conceal? and so it undercuts the alibi, puts him at the scene and demonstrates he potentially had something to do with it if not the fact that he is guilty. >> if he was there, that's his voice, and he murdered his wife and his child. i mean, he is -- the fact that he is chatting with them, playing around with them and the dog minutes before is insane. >> it's troubling. so their cases which we call circumstantial cases. circumstantial cases are predicated upon that, circumstance. i come into the studio and it was perfectly dry. gy outside, it's not raining but it's wet.

what does that demonstrate? it demonstrates it's raining. if there is circumstantial evidence, it would be clear that this would be powerful circumstantial evidence. last point. we talk about the concept of reasonable doubt. what does that mean? beyond a reasonable doubt. the jury is instructed that it's not to a mathematical certainty you have to establish someone's guilt. you have to establish, is it reasonably clear. and what this does is it undercuts his alibi, a central element of his defense and therefore undercuts the fact that he would not be guilty. very compelling and what we call damning evidence. >> incredible. thanks so much. just ahead, two stories involving florida governor ron desantis and education. the latest on his fight against ap work on african american studies that pitted him against the college board and the college board against "the new york times." we will explain that. plus, we will discuss with a third grade florida teacher why the book shelves are now empty. ...and our m most advanced safety system ever.

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#. a short time ago the makers of the advanced placement courses pushed back. the times said the contemporary writers associated with topics like critical race theory were in an earlier draft were, quote, purged. florida governor ron desantis said the board was, quote, pursuing a political agenda. cnn reached out to "the times" for comment. this comes as desantis has had a major impact on grade schools in florida. books in some schools are now missing from classrooms as teachers and administrators struggle to comply with what my next guest, a florida third grade teacher are, quote, vague laws on what books teachers can and can't have in their classrooms. thanks so much for being with

us. can you explain what happened last week when your florida school district decided to remove all books until they could be vetted? >> yeah, thank you, anderson. last week we had a school meeting, and we were shown a video that our district put together from our chief academic officer and our superintendent. and they basically said to us that until they have clearer directives from the state all classroom libraries and media centers were to be made unavailable to students. they really wanted to err on the side of caution because the directives they've been given so far from the state have been fairly unclear. they've been told that basically hb 1467 was passed in order to have more transparency for parents within the classroom. i've been a teacher for more

than a decade, and teachers have always had their doors open. but all books no matter how they come into a school whether they're purchased, donated, teachers buy them, whatever it is they now have to be vetted by a certified media specialist. and the problem with that is we have a part-time one at our school. we have thousands of books add our school. the other issue is they don't have a specific system in place yet to vet. so last week we were told to make all of our books unavailable to students until further notice. yes. >> so all books are now unavailable to students until further notice, and there's not specific guidelines on what is inappropriate. i mean is that -- why are there not specific guidelines? you would think if they were so concerned about this there would be. if it's up to only one so-called media specialist to review thousands of books, what are

they looking for? >> that's a great question. so part of the bill that was passed it was in response to with the parental rights bill, i believe. and what it states is that books have to be free of pornography. they also cannot include any issues of discrimination based on race, color, sex, or national origin. they also for grades k-3 cannot include anything related to gender identity. and that goes back to the bill that people have dubbed the don't say gay bill. so those are really the only specificities that we've gotten. and the media specialist at my school in particular what she's using is a 12-question microsoft forms piece that someone put together that she goes through and answers these 12 question on every single book in the school.

and it's just too subjective. i mean one person doing this -- what one person finds offensive another may not. so no one's going behind the media specialist and working with them either. they're not getting the extra support because you have to be a certificated media specialist in order to do this work. we're short on those. we've had these budget cuts for years that these resource teachers are -- are dwindling left and right. so we just -- we don't have the means to do this work. >> so if a kid in your classroom wants to read a book, what do you do? >> i give them a district issued curriculum book and tell them that that's what i have available to read. so the books i am allowed to have in my classroom are my current curriculum booksmism i am an interventionest so i use a phonics program. i work with students who are reading below grade level and i see about 60 to 70 students a day. if they finish their work what i

used to do is i had a really expansive library in my classroom that came by donation from my family, my friends, my community. i was running a little free library out of my classroom as well because i work in a low socioeconomic neighborhood, and i wanted to make sure my kids had access to books outside of school. now i can tell them you can read some more in your curriculum books. so it's kind of like finishing your job and getting more work to do rather than me being able to instill a love of reading for pleasure. >> i appreciate what you do. it's a tough job, and it seems particularly tough these day. i appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. i appreciate you bringing light to this. still to come we're going to dig into the latest search for classified documents by investigators. this time at president biden's beach homeme. details on that ahead.

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